Buddha disproved the Brahma as a creator of all the living beings on this earth. For example, if you call someone – He is a Neta of India – today, he may get offended and feel as if you have called him corrupt and manipulative. Press J to jump to the feed. by Hanzze » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:35 pm. Buddha's Religious Philosophy is => There is NO Need to POSIT the Concept of G-O-D=GOD to Establish "MORALITY" in the Society => ATHEISM--Morality comes from -According to Sri .Gauthama Siddhartha -Later was called as =>BUDDHA ("WISE MAN) by his Followers --in 3 ways => BUDDHAM (WISDOM) --DHAMMAM ( RIGHT CONDUCT) --SANGAM ( Company of RIGHT THINKING PEOPLE) After all, the Buddha is reputed to have rejected the Vedas, a move that earned his tradition the "nastika" label (atheist or infidel), as opposed to the six astika darshanas or orthodox philosophical systems, of which Vedanta is one. Buddha had never rejected the authority of Vedas in their pure form. He restored the path of reason, logic and experience. by tiltbillings » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:15 pm, Post He gave it a new life and a new interpretation.' >> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? Describing the great work of the Buddha, Ambedkar stated that the founder of Buddhism had “repudiated the authority of the Vedas“.When Buddha condemned “karma kanda“ (rituals) and Yagnas, Ambedkar stated, the “counter-revolutionaries“ opposed him saying these things “were ordained by the Vedas, the Vedas were infallible.“ Those who deny the authority of the Vedas are said to be 'impure' (nāstaka). Step by Step. Buddhist philosophy refers to the philosophical investigations and systems of inquiry that developed among various Buddhist schools in India following the parinirvana (i.e. ...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. But according to Vivekananda, Buddha has no authority to reject the Veda. Buddhism Rejected the Vedas and Brahmin authority o Continuation of pre-Hindu traditions o Hinduism --> devotion, Jainism --> asceticism, Buddhism --> mindfulness o Liberation comes from our efforts, not from devotion Often atheistic Originated in India Developed about 2,500 years ago The 3 Gems 1. But it is very difficult to understand his views even by his followers as Buddha himself said if anyone want to understand a person he or she has to develop or raise his or her intellect at the level of that person first. There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12 r/Buddhism: A reddit for all kinds of Buddhist teachings. So, basically, he opposed a lot of ideas that were floating at that time in their distorted versions, but he did not reject the Vedas as such. The Buddha was strongly opposed to the first tenet of Brahmanism. I The Buddha said that nothing is eternal, he considered revelation to be an unreliable means of knowledge and he rejected the idea of a supreme god as unconvincing. Share your thoughts. But for certain historical reasons, anattā became a bedrock doctrine of Buddhism. or distance. Buddha was not against Vedas as such. The Buddha has indirectly rejected this claim arguing that if no teachers of the Vedic tradition have had vision of Brahmaa, the so-called creator of the Vedas and this universe, the talk of Brahmaa is a blind talk, just as when a string of blind men clinging to one another, neither can the foremost see, nor can the middle see, nor can the hindmost see. The Buddha was one of them and he was not wrong in doing so. For example, if you call someone – He is a Neta of India – today, he may get offended and feel as if you have called him corrupt and manipulative. ... That was not the main reason for rejection of Vedas by Buddha. He also cast serious doubts on the claim that the authors of the Vedas had divine knowledge. Those who say that the Buddha was a Hindu or that Buddhism is a reformed version of Hinduism are seriously misinformed. Quoted from Elst, Koenraad (2002). He introduced cricket and cucumber sandwiches though. Mahatma Buddha did not reject Vedas per se, but the malpractices happening in name of Vedas. Do you believe he was right in doing so? The Buddha also put no reliance on the Vedas, or on practice of their nature worship, or on the performance of their rituals as a means of redemption. Budhha and The Vedas. Buddha never rejected Hinduism, but he broadened its base. BUDDHISM is a religious revolution against the evils that are dominant in Brahmanism. The authority of the Vedas was again established by Sripad Adi Sankaracharya. Zindgi Na Milegi Dobara: A contradicting title? About the achievement of Buddhahood, Vivekananda gave the affirmative answer that it is a kind of gain. Buddha a. Dharma a. Solar Eclipse, June 2020 is going to be lucky for these four zodiac signs! by Hanzze » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:12 pm, Post Did Lord Buddha accept the authority or reject the vedas? The Hinduism at the time of Buddha was Brahmanism and included a transmigrating soul, the caste system, henotheism, and animal sacrifices, which Buddha rejected. by Satori » Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:26 pm, Post Is the Vedas writings of the Buddha? Well, the title itself may be bit misleading but a lot of people believe that he did. The Buddha definitely rejected the idea of the Atman (an indivisible indestructible eternal self at the core of beings) and he also rejected the concept of eternalism. Re: Did Lord Buddha accept the authority or reject the vedas. The Buddha also rejected the practice of animal sacrifices, the efficacy of rituals and the caste system, all of which are legitimized by the Vedas. Bhagavan Buddha rejected the Vedas, religion and concept of God ***** Sage Sri, Sankara says:~ VC-59 - The study of the Scriptures are useless so long as the highest Truth is unknown, and it is equally useless when the highest Truth has already been known. In short, the Buddha rejected the belief that there is an "atman" and the divine authority of the Vedas, and the Vedic sacrifices of animals. The power attributed to these revered sages by Buddhists is scarcely inferior to that of the Arhats, which we shall have to notice at greater length by and bye. The Buddha rejected the 5 Vedas, according to the dialogues seen in the nikayas. Killing of animals before the advent of Lord Buddha was the most prominent feature of the society. But the Tamil Naan Marai mentioned in Tholkappiam isn't Sanskrit Vedas. Buddha had never rejected the authority of Vedas in their pure form. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. Buddha rejected the idea of the caste system and the influence of gods in man's progress towards enlightenment. The Buddha (fl. There are four Vedas, although only three are mentioned in the Buddhist scriptures (M.II,133). Why Mahatma Buddha rejected Vedas 9. This is why Buddhism was classed as a nastika tenet system. Vedas are called Maṛai or Vaymoli in parts of South India. Mahatma Buddha did not reject Vedas per se, but the malpractices happening in name of Vedas. Buddha has not rejected any religion as per the prevailing practice of Hindu. by Hanzze » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:28 pm, Post He believed that everybody is equal. Hindu has never made any restrictions to anybody to come in or to go out, because it is founded for the welfare of humanity, irrespective of time or place. It is often believed that Sri Buddha rejected the authority of Vedas and that led him to set up a new religion. When the Vedas are not accepted through the authoritative disciplic succession, the casual readers of the Vedas are misled by the flowery language of that system of knowledge. The Vedas are the religious texts which inform the religion of Hinduism (also known as Sanatan Dharma meaning “Eternal Order” or “Eternal Path”). In fact, this is a baseless argument. Buddhists deny this. The truth remains that there are many different demigods and demigoddesses who are worshipped by their respective devotees, in the same way that Shakya Simha Buddha (who was an atheist) is worshipped or glorified by his followers. My personal understanding is a bit on the moderate scale--something that Buddha himself propagated, saying that we should leave the extremities and choose the middle path. The Vedas are the most ancient and most important of all Hindu sacred literature. by Prasadachitta » Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:36 pm, Post God. This is The Fifth Part Of Philosophical Paper Presented By Sunil Upasana In The Swadeshi Indology Conference – 2, Held At IGNCA, New Delhi On February 2017. Vedas are generally regarded as sacred in Hinduism. The Buddha definitely rejected the authority of the Vedas and hinted that even Vedic scholars cannot be sure that the Vedas are true, in the Canki Sutta. Post-Vedic texts like the Gita are also revered. Our discussion would be about what Buddha's belief and vision was and how he decided that he would not simply believe what other tell him but will find his own path. But he rejected it outwardly because the sura-dviṣa, or the demons who are always envious of the devotees of Godhead, try to support cow-killing or animal-killing from the pages of the Vedas, and this is now being done by the modernized sannyāsīs. Buddha was never against the Vedas. And also the spiritual world, the Vaikuntha.We judge a tree by its fruits. p. 104. Rejection and disagreeing are two different connotations to the emotions that a person may have. Women are equal to … A few Upanishads are pre-Buddhist but the majority came later. The heterodox schools are those who reject the authority of the Vedas. It really is meaningless. So based on this then Buddhism was opposed to the Vedic religion.Interestingly the Buddha came to be seen as an avatarof the god Vishnu in some forms Hinduism. Yes it is writings of the Buddha. His criticism of these claims was not based on ignorance. by Satori » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:33 pm, Post 21. 0 1. Thus, like any sane morally upright person would do, Mahatma Buddha stated that: “If Vedas sanction these evil practices, then I reject Vedas.” Had Gautam Buddha obtained an opportunity to study the actual Vedas and not go by the false notions prevailing, he could no … Nor did he accept going to the Brahmins as priests. It was Gautam Buddha who rejected the authority of Vedas because Vedas sanctions animal slaughter and Hindus of his time did sacrifice animals so he wanted them to stop this practice. Hence they don’t accept any metaphysical truth. Post-Vedic texts like the Gita are also revered. During the time of Lord Buddha many Vedic Brahmanas were misinterpreting the Vedic injunctions and needlessly sacrificing so many innocent animals. People claimed that these were Vedic sacrifices. Gautama Buddha didn't accept the Vedas as an authority, so it would be odd for him to borrow that concept from the Vedas. Explanation: It is good that someone sees some value in Buddhism and Buddha is recognized The fully enlightened teacher 2. What's your opinion on this topic? After all, the Buddha is reputed to have rejected the Vedas, a move that earned his tradition the "nastika" label (atheist or infidel), as opposed to the six astika darshanas or orthodox philosophical systems, of which Vedanta is one. He accepted the Vedic gods and cosmology, but did not believe these gods could lead people to liberation and that in fact they too were still part of the cycle of birth and death and in need of liberation. Those who deny the authority of the Vedas are said to be heretical (nàsitaka). Mahāparinirvāṇa-sūtra in China I conclude with a last word on Dharmakṣema, the translator of MPNS into Chinese, who was a great celebrity of his times. Loading... Unsubscribe from RAMANJI108? “ The Buddhists have been equally deceived with Brahmins, in the estimate they have formed of the character of the Rishis. He did not like the idea of usefulness of rituals as independent tools. the Iyengar communities), the word veda is used in the Tamil writings of the Alvar saints. by Satori » Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:05 pm, Post In the Dhammapada (129-130) Buddha says, “All beings fear death and pain, life is dear to all; therefore the wise man will not kill or cause anything to be killed.” The Buddha said that nothing is eternal, he considered revelation to be an unreliable means of knowledge and he rejected the idea of a supreme god as unconvincing. A Buddhist discussion forum on the Dhamma of Theravāda Buddhism, Post In the Sangarava Sutta, the Buddha rejected purification rites using water. The Buddha has indirectly rejected this claim arguing that if no teachers of the Vedic tradition have had vision of Brahmaa, the so-called creator of the Vedas and this universe, the talk of Brahmaa is a blind talk, just as when a string of blind men clinging to one another, neither can the foremost see, nor can the middle see, nor can the hindmost see. This classification is late medieval, after the decline of Buddhism in India. The Buddha mentioned in the Devi Bhagavat, a more recent text, and in Shakti Pramoda, refers to Shakya Simha Buddha – not the Vishnu Avatara Buddha. Although, Mr Vivekananda did not dare much to condemn Buddha but here are some of his extremely offensive and illogical remarks on Gautama Buddha and his philosophies: 1) Buddha is said to have denied the Vedas because there is so much Himsa (killing) and other things. BUDDHA VEDAS RAMANJI108. The Buddha was an English gentleman and rejected anything foreign sounding. “ The Buddhists have been equally deceived with Brahmins, in the … Will you count it as a part of Hinduism? Sramana was an ancient Indian religious movement with origins in the Vedic religion. The term veda means “knowledge” in that they are thought to contain the fundamental knowledge relating to the underlying cause of, function of, and personal response to existence. How does a layperson achieve enlightenment? In reality, the Buddha disagreeing with lots of beliefs and concepts of Vedas but he did not reject the Vedas. Buddha is founder of the religion called "Buddhis" as per the historians, Answer: – No! 9/12 They are the èg Veda, the Sāma Veda, the Yajur Veda, all composed between the 13th and 7th century BC, and the Atharva Veda, included into the sacred canon only several centuries after the Buddha. Buddha also rejected Veda, because it teaches violence. The Buddha rejected the basis of the Brahmanism that existed at his time. Swami Vivekananda is of the same view. [3] They reject the Vedas because they don’t think “word” is a valid epistemology and only perception. Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths - what can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies? Without breaking away from religion and religious traditions, it is impossible to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. Comments 0. In the Dhammapada (129-130) Buddha says, "All beings fear death and pain, life is dear to all; therefore the wise man will not kill or cause anything to be killed." )-Lord Buddha had to reject the authority of the Vedas altogether. The Buddha rejected the basis of the Brahmanism that existed at his time. Last edited: Sep 2, 2016. There were lots of social reformers who opposed the wrong practices done by bunch of people who claimed that they are an authority on the Vedas. Nagarjuna (~200 CE), explicitly rejected ātman (self, soul), claiming in Mūlamadhyamakakārikā that “Buddha taught the doctrine of no-self.” The Self-Noself dichotomy means that the philosophical foundations of Hinduism and Buddhism are different. The Buddhist path combines both philosophical reasoning and meditation. BUDDHISM. Well, Lord Buddha , seems to have taken ideas from Hinduism, in the pali canon , there is mentioning of Hindu deities, such as Yama. Thus, Lord Buddha appeared and rejected the Vedic rituals and preached the philosophy of nonviolence. Rejection and disagreeing are two different connotations to the emotions that a person may have. December 16, 2019. ... Peace is Possible! For him, it was all about Karma. In some parts of South India (e.g. But he did not believe in blind faith. Buddhism is centered upon the life and teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, who came to be known as the Buddha — the enlightened one, or one who is awake — whereas Christianity is centered on the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ.Buddhism is a nontheistic religion or philosophy, i.e., it does not believe in a supreme creator being a.k.a. by Hanzze » Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:34 pm, Post He claimed 'anatman' ie 'no soul' / existence being completely null and void without any soul or … Marai literally means "hidden, a secret, mystery". Most of the Vedas were however pre-Buddhist. circa 450 BCE) is the individual whose teachings form the basis of the Buddhist tradition. Thus Buddha completely rejected the Vedas & found an atheistic religion from ground up. ... Hindu Scriptures, Vedas, Upanishads and Gita | Talk by Jay Lakhani - Hindu Academy London - Duration: 30:29. Atman and eternalism are core doctrines of the Upanishads. Thus, Lord Buddha appeared and rejected the Vedic rituals and preached the philosophy of nonviolence. Lord Buddha had to reject the authority of the Vedas … In the Dhammapada(129-130) Buddha says, "All beings fear death and pain, life is dear to all; therefore the wise man will not kill or cause anything to be killed." There is more hope for a fool than for him.<<, This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond, ↳   TERMS OF SERVICE (including reporting procedures), ↳   LINK TO: Dharma Wheel Engaged Forum (DWE), ↳   LINK TO: Dharma Wheel - Mahayana & Vajrayana Forum (DWM), ↳   LINK TO: Dharma Paths—Comparative Religion Forum, ↳   LINK TO: Dhamma Wiki - Buddhist encyclopedia, ↳   LINK TO: Google Saffron: Theravāda Search Engine, ↳   News, Current Events & Politics (Archive). The teachings 3. He also believed in their role as a subsidiary and not the primary tool. by Sunil Upasana. 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